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This week we are reading:
Title: You Had Me Hooked at Cthulhu 
Author: onthecount
Rating: Teen and up
Author's summary: How YouTube almost, maybe, possibly ruined Arthur's life and improved Eames' one thousand times over.

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This is such a great fic - it's funny and sweet, and I love the mutli-media/meta aspect to it - there's the fic, there's the art, and then there are the tumblr blogs: http://4rthurviciou5-blog-blog.tumblr.com/ and http://hooked34-blog-blog.tumblr.com/

I've thought of a few questions to get us started, but please do add more.

PS - first time coming out of the lurkers' cupboard to do something more constructive than just read a lot of fic and occasionally comment... So hello!!! I'm excited to be doing something a bit more productive to contribute to this amazing fandom ☺

Re: Fandom and life online

Date: 2017-06-12 09:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sdlibrarian
I had not seen the tumblr pages before -- very cool! I loved all the little details in the story -- and it was easy to picture them as real people doing these things -- both online and in their real lives.

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Re: Fandom and life online

Date: 2017-06-19 01:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flosculatory
I think one of my favourite things about reading through this fic is that it's a time capsule of how these platforms worked back in 2011. For example, Tumblr didn't use to have little chat boxes, which you can see in how A/E could only message each other via asks that were published onto their blogs. (THE SAVAGERY.)

But yeah, I'm a Tumblr nerd so I loved Eames tagging all the posts for Arthur. HOW CUTE.

Re: Fan art

Date: 2017-06-13 08:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ravenclawinstarfleet
In general I think it definitely changes my perception of the work; I know there have been some times where I go back to reread a fic and art has been added in the interim, and it alters (at least for me) the focus. I appreciated in this one how it gave us some glimpses into how Arthur is doing throughout all this, since we don't "see" him until the end :-)

Re: Fan art

Date: 2017-06-14 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silverukiss
I loved the fan art in the fic! In general I like art in fics, but I felt like this art really captured the feel of the story as well.

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Re: Eames the knitter

Date: 2017-06-13 04:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fiamac
Eames as a creative is a near-constant theme in fanon, but sometimes I wonder if we're reaching. Yes, it's canon that he values imagination (and considers himself an imaginative person); however, how creative is he, really? As a forger, his strength is mimicry, not creation. Then again, as an accomplished extractor, he's shown his ability to think in ways that others can't. Is that creativity? Or something more along the lines of insight? Seeing patterns that others miss as opposed to devising new pathways.

But coming back to this story, I do see this rendition of Eames as fairly canonical... making imitations of existing figures, using (knitting) patterns to build something, holding multiple identities throughout the story...

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Re: Creepy stalking?

Date: 2017-06-13 04:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fiamac
Is Eames being creepy? I'd say "yes" save for one crucial detail -- Eames consumes every detail of Arthur that Arthur himself has made public, but he consciously avoids the private pieces of Arthur's life that Eames was never supposed to have. So Eames is being obsessive, certainly, but not actually invasive. What IS problematic, however, is the imbalance of the connection between them. Arthur's personas are consistent and very open, whereas Eames's personas are piecemeal and filtered.

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Re: Creepy stalking?

Date: 2017-06-16 06:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] earlgreytea68
This is so interesting, because this was the exact question that I was asking myself as I was reading it. I don't *think* what he's doing is creepy or stalker-ish in and of itself, because he's just looking at publicly available stuff that Arthur wants people to look at. I think the only creepy potential is when he develops a crush on Arthur, but he's saved by recognizing that he could cross lines and do sketchy stuff and so he tries to manage his feelings.

That said, I thought it was SO realistic that he *thought* what he was doing was creepy and stalker-ish. I have developed Internet crushes and thought, "What am I doing? I need to stop this." But all I'm doing is what Eames is doing! So I thought it was really realistic that way.

(But then this fic ends with them together, and I think, "Wow, that has never happened with any of *my* Internet crushes!" Is that dangerous, lol?)

Re: Specialist knowledge – what did you learn?

Date: 2017-06-16 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silverukiss
For me I think the biggest thing that I learn from fics are different perspectives on the world. Things I wouldn't normally think about. For instance, in this fic Arthur is the type of person that normally I would find annoying on youtube. Spending most of his videos ranting about anything and everything (whereas my view tends to be that the world sucks so much already, why spend even more of my time constantly thinking about how much it sucks.). But here, I get to see him as a more normal person, who seemed to be using it as just a way to express himself. He certainly doesn't seem to think that many people will want to watch them. And maybe it lets him say things he doesn't feel he's allowed to express elsewhere in his life? I'm not entirely certain I agree with everything he does in the vids, but at least I can understand it a little better.

But yeah, I've also learned a lot from fics in general. I learned about anxiety, depression, and some ways of handling them. I learned about gender and sexual minorities. I learned a lot of cool architecture stuff, especially from this fandom.

Re: Specialist knowledge – what did you learn?

Date: 2017-06-16 06:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] earlgreytea68
I don't know much about knitting and was fascinated by all the mentions of different types of yarn and what Eames was working on.

My favorite AUs have been restaurant AUs, because I feel like I've learned so much about food and wine, whether true or not! I also felt like I learned a lot about the movie industry from the Sherlock movie-star!AU, whether true or not, I suppose!

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Date: 2017-06-12 09:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sdlibrarian
As someone who has made both Doctor Who scarfs and little Cthulus -- I was hooked immediately!

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Date: 2017-06-13 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] inimitablereel
As a (newish) knitter (though I haven't made any fandom stuff), I definitely agree! (I *may* have gone through the knitting ao3 tag for this fandom.) This was just so much fun!

Date: 2017-06-13 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kephiso
My mom is the avid knitter (and she's made me an Eleven, though I never got far enough into DW to appreciate him properly and subsequently gifted him to a friend who is a bigger DW fan than me) and as such I recognized such loving details as the yarn addiction :D

Date: 2017-06-15 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ishuzu
I'm late to the party, but this fic has a special place in my heart.

I love how it captures that pre midlife crisis, crisis, which is not really a crisis, but the realization that your life is yours, and you can live it, rather then preform it.

And how for some that leads to sudden drop in productivity, a withdrawal from external stimuli, as internal sorting in inhabiting happens.

and it treats this al so gently, and uses the ever flexible eames to inhabit this stage of life.

and I love how in the midst of it he lets himself love Arthur.

Date: 2017-06-16 03:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fiamac
"he lets himself love Arthur"

Yes! That's always my headcanon, that Eames has to let himself fall for Arthur, give himself permission to embrace the feelings. It's great how this story follows him through that

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I love this description so much. The Cobbs in this story are very brief but Mal especially seems to come across fairly firmly. I found that interesting.

Date: 2017-06-19 01:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flosculatory
I LOVE Eames' situation in this. This fic could easily have avoided the storyline of Eames dropping out of his program, but I thought it added this neat layer to his personality. We get to see Eames living for himself and doing what is comfortable for him, and it isn't portrayed that negatively: it's something he has to work through. And the little rut he works himself into provides a good backdrop for the excitement of Arthur.

Anyway, any fics that prove that a 'normal' educational background aren't necessary for happiness or success are good to me.

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One lingering question I had: How does Arthur finally make the connection between Dreamestitch and Hooked34? Did I miss something there?

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